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Why All Over Print Tees Asset Artwork MUST Fill Entire Square

Hey all -

This is important if you're selling All Over Print Tees.

The people who physically print our All Over Print Tees have had to cancel a handful of orders where artwork did not fill the entire square. The updated guide makes the importance of filling the entire square with artwork more explicit. Also, see below for how to properly create your asset using the new guide.

Obviously we don't want anyone missing out on a sale due to an asset upload issue. That would suck. So....

If you've uploaded an All Over Print Tee asset and DID NOT fill out the entire 6000 x 6000 square with artwork, you will need to reupload a corrected asset. EXAMPLES BELOW.

 

CORRECT ARTWORK PLACEMENT

Why All Over Print Tees Asset Artwork MUST Fill Entire Square

 

INCORRECT ARTWORK PLACEMENT

Why All Over Print Tees Asset Artwork MUST Fill Entire Square

 

All this stern talk, but also know that your All Over Print Tees are absolutely crushing it. We're stoked that everyone picked it up so quickly. This is one little hiccup, but I think that aside from that, high fives in order for every artist (and our dev and product teams too) for getting these up and running. Stoked to have them on the roster. They're a great fit for S6.

Also this post feels pretty Christmasy. Happy holidays?

If you have more questions or comments, please leave them below!

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Bianca Green commented on Thursday, June 25, 2015 1:44pm
Thx, I needed that. :)
Ben Renschen commented on Thursday, June 25, 2015 3:17pm
@Bianca Green - you're of course welcome!
Obvious Warrior commented on Thursday, June 25, 2015 4:49pm
Hmmm... that's a pretty major setback for me. I have a lot of uploads that look a bit like that 'not this' image. Oh well...
Jeff Steenson commented on Thursday, June 25, 2015 5:12pm
The examples you're using don't mean anything to me - my artwork is pictorial with a central image, not a pattern of little images like wrapping paper. I've had an order kicked back already because of this, even though the previews looked great. The file was the right size, I just added a band of white down each side to make the 6000x6000, which would - at worst - leave a white patch on each sleeve. Which is fine. The image in question is too long up and down to crop square without cutting off something important. Can you give me an example that fits that description?
Lynette K. commented on Thursday, June 25, 2015 8:55pm
I have the same issue as Jeff Steenson does. I do portrait art, with my main image in the center with a frame of sorts around the paintings edge and the only way I see in getting my art to fit right in your template is to cut off a lot of the art. It just does not look right. I had a lot of my images centered with the background filled in one colour and two orders were canceled do to printing issues. Maybe show us real printed examples?
Lostfog Co. commented on Thursday, June 25, 2015 10:20pm
Very good to know, thank you
Elodie Bachelier commented on Thursday, June 25, 2015 11:45pm
and it's the same thing with leggings ? Very helpful article, thanks !
RUEI commented on Friday, June 26, 2015 12:09am
lol that's why ! thank you so much :)
Moremo commented on Friday, June 26, 2015 7:20am
Thanks for the info! :)
Betty Banks commented on Friday, June 26, 2015 8:45am
This comment does not go with this article, but, sorry, I don't know where to post general suggestions. I'm new to your site. If there is a better place to post this, please someone pass along this suggestion: I absolutely LOVE the art styles, etc that you offer. I suspect your customer base, in general, is much younger than myself; I don't personally use most of the "Women" clothing styles offered. Please consider offering some tunic type jackets, as are currently very popular now FOR ALL AGES--for example, the kimono style open front tops with asymmetrical (or not) hems. They don't have to be the pricier silk, but could be a nice easy wear and care for polyester blend. (I personally would buy SEVERAL of them in assorted patterns.) Advantages to your company: They would sell for higher price points; they are extremely versatile (dress up or down, or even used as a beach cover-up); they could be paired with your leggings ; and they appeal to an even broader customer base... To my knowledge no company is offering this type of product in so many art styles as you have, but they would be GREAT!!! Thanks for listening...
HappyMelvin commented on Friday, June 26, 2015 11:32am
Yay me.. Redo 6 days of work..
Psicostorms commented on Friday, June 26, 2015 11:53am
I have the same issue as @Jeff Steenson and @Lynette K. I use a central image with an solid background. We need to delete our work? This type of print works only with pattern?
Stephen Linhart commented on Friday, June 26, 2015 11:54am
You should have told has at the beginning. Lots of lost work. :-(
Scott Hervieux commented on Friday, June 26, 2015 12:34pm
Oh no! 3 weeks of work gone. My issue, is a had to specifically resize, twist and distort to fit in the template. Can we fill the area outside the shirt template with fodder (ie stuff we don't want on the shirt) just to fill the square? But only have what is in the shirt outline print? Otherwise I sm going to have to stop offering a lot of my art, as I specifically had to adjust to fit the shirt.
Brian Raggatt commented on Friday, June 26, 2015 12:43pm
Is it "OK" to just upload the image size e.g. 6000 x 6000 (as I've been doing?)......OR must the template be used???? It is time consuming enough with the number of variations for products as it is without having to faff around in software with layers and the leggings even more so if you want the same image on each leg.
ieIndigoEast commented on Friday, June 26, 2015 12:59pm
I'm with Stephen, Scott, and HappyMelvin on this one...
HappyMelvin commented on Friday, June 26, 2015 1:04pm
6 days of resizing and adjusting 250 photos, and uploading... and had about 60 to go.. and finally felt that I could see the end of this slimey task... then
.. booom .. all prob useless..
I need valium...
iohohoh commented on Friday, June 26, 2015 1:53pm
Hmmm....The example is just only showing a pattern image.
That's not enough.
My artworks are not pattern images, mostly just beautifully described illustrations, no pattern so far. Unless I uploadi as 'not this' type, there's no way to show the important part of my images. Because some of mine have important point at the center, some of them are down, and sometimes a whole layout is important. So if I upload them as 6000*6000 squre without spaces, buyers could be lost the point what they want to see, and they will probably think that they waste money, won't they? That's why I think the example is not enough.

Anyway, thanks for showing an example, I wonder what example is correct as NOT PATTERN IMAGE though.
KiniArt commented on Friday, June 26, 2015 3:24pm
where can I find the template?
My Studio commented on Friday, June 26, 2015 3:29pm
Thanks for showing this mini guide....uploading again ;)
KiniArt commented on Friday, June 26, 2015 3:32pm
6000 x 6000 is huge! What is the minimum suggested dpi?
Christopher Johnson commented on Friday, June 26, 2015 6:50pm
I agree you should have told us in the email that we needed to upload images where everything is filled in. The first couple days I uploaded many shirts that covered the template shape plus a little more space. ON my OWN, I decided to go ahead and tile or mirror images or add a border to fill out space on AOP designs, but I don't have a list of which uploads are which and the preview on the upload page doesn't show us the uploaded images. So um, how are we supposed to check our images to see if they are filled out or not?????
David Zydd commented on Saturday, June 27, 2015 1:09am
iohohoh:
I'think, the vast majority of the designs look only good on a normal t-shirt OR the all over printed one. Your designs unequivocally fits to normal shirts (3300x5100).
Angelo Cerantola commented on Saturday, June 27, 2015 2:35am
Could you please explain EXACTLY why the external areas have to be completely filled too (and why isn't filling them with white space, as many of us have done, acceptable?). Why did you include a t-shirt outline in the guide? I don't think I'm going back to re-doing DAYS worth of artwork placement simply because S6 didn't care to explain properly this issue right from the beginning.
Alpine Seaside Landscapes commented on Saturday, June 27, 2015 5:17am
Why does it work for the leggings to have blank spaces where the leg cutouts are not??? Most of my leggings images have images that don't go to the edges, and most show image only where the leg cutouts are and they've all turned out just fine when produced. For the shirts, it's important to me to have the same flexibility in order to place my image exactly how and where I want it .....otherwise, what is the use of the template anyway? DOES A WHITE SPACE OUTSIDE OF THE T-SHIRT OUTLINE ACTUALLY SHOW WHEN PRODUCED??? Again, if so, then what's the use of a template?
Brian Raggatt commented on Saturday, June 27, 2015 6:10am
Kiniart.......yes I had to load a Jpeg as the system just won't take a PNG that size at 300dpi......I think the template is on the product page?
IvanaW commented on Saturday, June 27, 2015 12:14pm
I came here to ask what Agelo and Alpine just wrote, so i don't have to now. Curious about all that myself.
Lostfog Co. commented on Saturday, June 27, 2015 1:35pm
I'm new on here and would really like some feedback on my work
Andrew Treherne commented on Saturday, June 27, 2015 1:39pm
I'm going to guess that with the fact that the leggings are printed before they're made up and the T-shirts are printed after they're made makes all the difference here. Printing onto already made up shirts is going to be tricky and quite awkward (hence the trouble with the under arm bits). Because of that we have to allow for the chance that the shirt might move whilst being printed. That means putting a bit of extra design around the template shape so that if it does move then you wont get a white edge. This is called 'adding bleed'.
Sèиga commented on Sunday, June 28, 2015 2:02am
Hi!! I'd like to see how it looks in the back! Is it a mirror of the front? I have an asymetric pattern, so if it's not a mirror that'd look a bit odd :(
Why don't you put a pic of the back as well??
Danadu commented on Sunday, June 28, 2015 8:04am
I'm sorry but I got this from the initial instructions. How much more simple does it need to be? Your image must be 6000 x 6000. Simple. If your artwork or photos don't work in that format, don't use it. If you feel you wasted time, it's not S6 fault. Image is 6000 x 6000, not image and boarder but image. The template was just a tool for placement.
AntWoman commented on Sunday, June 28, 2015 8:27am
I'm asking the same question as Scott Hervieux. can we just fill the area on the 6000*6000 file that is not on the shirt part with just color? would love to get an answer...
Max Schultz commented on Sunday, June 28, 2015 10:55am
why is the template impossible to find???
Andrew Treherne commented on Monday, June 29, 2015 3:07am
@Max Schultz: It's linked in the "Add T-shirts & more" section next to the asset upload button. Here's the link: http://a1.s6img.com/images/prevs/all-..._guide.png
Alpine Seaside Landscapes commented on Monday, June 29, 2015 5:50am
@ Andrew Treheme ...do you know for sure that the Ts are printed after they are constructed? If so, this seems almost impossible, and truly amazing if true. While patterns seem to be the easy fit for these shirts, images with specific things to show or not show seem almost impossible if the actual image (as opposed to just background) needs to go to the edge. I'm wondering why just an inch of bleed around the material cut line wouldn't be enough? I think I'll just have to order one of my shirts which would be pushing technical limits to see how it turns out.
Ben Renschen commented on Monday, June 29, 2015 6:22pm
Hey guys,

We hear your feedback, frustrations and comments loud and clear. Lots of convos on our end today about this. We do our absolute best to avoid these types of issues before launching a product, but full disclosure - this slipped through the cracks. Ultimately, the last thing we want is you losing a sale or our t-shirt printers canceling an order because of an asset issue. That sucks for everyone involved.

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We should have a NEW GUIDE on the site within the next 24-48 hours to help place your artwork.
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No matter how we slice this product, your artwork *must* fill the entire square. Even if you do portrait work. We understand the challenges, but if it's not possible to creatively extend your artwork to the full square, that's okay too. We'd rather you be stoked on what works best for you than mad a cancelled sale.

As for the question, "Why does my artwork have to fill the entire square?"
Good question. The artwork is printed on blank white tees *after* they’ve been sewn together. Which means there’s room for the t-shirts and machinery to shift in the printing process. The full square asset compensates for this.

@Andrew Treherne hit it on the head - "Printing onto already made up shirts is going to be tricky and quite awkward (hence the trouble with the under arm bits). Because of that we have to allow for the chance that the shirt might move whilst being printed. That means putting a bit of extra design around the template shape so that if it does move then you wont get a white edge."

Again, our apologies for the back and forth, but truly grateful for everyone’s feedback and patience. We’re hustlin’ to give everyone the best info we have based on the challenges and requests we’re running into.

Keep an eye out for the new template. We'll update this blog post as soon as the new template is live.

-Ben
anipani commented on Tuesday, June 30, 2015 2:45am
I think the allover shirt is a grat product - and I uploaded a few of my designs the wrong way!! so I have to redo all that work, but that is no big deal. Lost a sale too, but hopefully the customer will come back. Everything has hiccups at the beginning, so S6 are still awesome in my mind, as I would not have had the chance to sell any product without them. I have had a steep learning curve but S6 have been really great in supplying information and clear instruction as to how to progress. Loud applause from me.
Vikki Salmela commented on Friday, July 3, 2015 3:35pm
@Ben Renschen,
Thank you for the explanation, but it does not help all of us that do not have our art in repeat, and have to go back and literally make new art to fit the entire square.

Also, I have seen photos of a shirt someone got where there was white spot spacing around the arms, hit and miss, because you are not printing the pieces separately, as most all over garments are done. This is just as bad, if the customer gets a top with white misses due to bad printing.

Another issue, and not sure who to write to, is a friend just ordered a shirt direct from my curator link on facebook, because she knows I will get a curator bonus if she does. I see no curator bonus at all with the pending sale. I have often wondered when other friends buy other products direct from my link on facebook, yet I do not see a curator bonus. What is going on, and who do I write to about getting proper credit for my continuous promotion of your site?
Thanks....
Lyle Hatch commented on Friday, July 3, 2015 9:16pm
Even with this "fix", there will still be an above-average number of returns because of the decision to go with sublimation printing versus the print, cut, and sew method. I can't envision any shirts being printed without the white flaws showing up and that is going to disappoint a lot of customers. This will also potentially reflect negatively on every designer that sells the PAO shirts in their portfolio, even though it is not our fault.

Sometimes the decision to go the cheaper route will come back to bite you in the ass!
Vikki Salmela commented on Saturday, July 4, 2015 6:07am
There are places, right here in LA who do sublimation printing, printing the same placement on mechanized pre drawn pieces, running yardage, cut, sew and ship. And it's POD, and used by American Apparel as well. No worries of white hit n miss printing, each shirt looking the same. And the templates would be so much easier.
Ben Renschen commented on Saturday, July 4, 2015 1:58pm
@Anipani - And an applause right back at ya! Your support is greatly appreciated. We're working hard to make it all happen!

@Vikki - Thanks for taking the time to thoughtfully respond. So we're actually working with our printers to get a better guide together for artists - ideally we'll be releasing early next week. When it comes to non-repeating artwork, you are correct that you would have to creatively extend it to fill the required areas. That makes this an amazing product for some artwork and a challenge for other pieces. We understand that.

Good news, however, the new guide we're working on isn't going to require a full square of artwork - although there is still a bleed area you must completely cover. As soon as the new guide comes out, I'll get an updated blog post together with both pattern and non-repeating artwork as an example. re: LA printers - thank you for the heads up. If necessary, I'll send someone from our team in your direction. :)

For the Curator question - hit up our customer service so you can have a one-on-one convo. They'll get ya on the right path! https://society6.com/help/contact

@Lyle (and Vikki) - Regarding cut and sew - you're absolutely correct in that it would eliminate some printing issues. In all honesty, we want to see how much people are into the All Over Print Tees before we make a stronger commitment to them. But trust me when I say that I'm forwarding all these comments and conversations on to our team. Thank you for taking the time to give us your thoughts - even if it's a little frustrating sometimes. This is all super valuable feedback and incredibly appreciated!
ɛℓiṣe | The creative cont… commented on Monday, July 6, 2015 2:03am
Hello y'all,
i was wondering : what does the back of the shirt look like ?
Is it left white ? Or is it the same picture as front ? Or it it possible to print something different ?
Thanks !
Made of Tin commented on Monday, July 6, 2015 8:30am
I'm wondering the same thing! I have a design that would different on the back then the front (a shoulder tattoo) but I can't do it if the design is the same front and back (and really, for an all over t-shirt, that doesn't make sense anyway to only allow repeating patterns)
Kathy Morton Stanion commented on Monday, July 6, 2015 3:39pm
crap! wish that I knew this a bit earlier...have a ;to of changes to make.
Kathy Morton Stanion commented on Monday, July 6, 2015 3:40pm
crap! wish that I knew this a bit earlier...have a lot of changes to make.
Dr. Lukas Brezak commented on Friday, July 10, 2015 5:02am
I would say the product has also another very serious problem... I saw a lot of images from buyers and there were a lot of imperfections, unprinted areas when material fold... please S6... change the technology, this not a quality I would expect from this site... make it like the leggings please... leggings are super since they are printed before assembly... but this product should be technologically upgraded :) I would really appreciate that! Thanks!!!
MG-Studio commented on Wednesday, July 15, 2015 1:08am
Is the new guide available yet?
J.B.InsTruMenTaLz commented on Saturday, July 18, 2015 12:04am
Can someone make a YouTube video of their all over print T Shirt?
Extraneous commented on Saturday, July 18, 2015 6:23pm
Question: What do the back of these shirts look like? The same design as the front? Could there be an option to have a different design instead?
Ben Renschen commented on Saturday, July 18, 2015 9:47pm
**New guide available**

Hey @Elise - At the moment, we aren't offering unique printing on front and back. Our product team has this feedback though. :)

@Made of Tin - You're right that All Over Print Tees aren't ideal for all artwork. Given that both sides are printed the same, I would say to use your best judgement. If/when we are able to offer a cut n' sew version with different designs on front and back, hopefully the rest of your work will make an appearance on these tees!

@Kathy - soooorrrryyyy Kathy. :/ We put some extra effort into the new guide, which is now available and better than previous versions.

@Dr. Lukas Brezak - Spot on and your feedback is being forwarded to our product team. Please send any pictures you have via - https://society6.com/help/contact. That kind of thing is super helpful for them. Also - regarding cut n' sew like our leggings, we want to make sure there is interest with artists and your customers before diving fully into a cut n' sew version. But you are heard!!!

@MG-Studio - yes it is!

@JBInstrumentalz - Here's a link with a video of the product all around just so you can see how it's printed. **http://society6.com/studio/blog/intro...o-society6** If you stumble across any other videos, please share!

@Extraneous - Currently, same as the front, but this feedback is something I'll pass along to our product team. Not an uncommon request. :)
Panther Scouts commented on Sunday, July 19, 2015 4:34pm
Are these being printed with nothing between the front and back during the printing process? The reason I ask is I just got one and the art printed on the back is clearly (but faintly) visible on the front, and vice versa (see http://i.imgur.com/66TVhrb.jpg -- this is a picture of the shirt with a piece of white foamboard inside, so everything visible is ink that is on the front material). This is extremely disappointing, and makes me think this product is useless for art that is predominantly light in color.
DeeHee commented on Tuesday, July 21, 2015 8:22am
Just received my shirts. Beautiful colors and designs! I understand about the underarm spaces, but am surprised about the top of the shoulder voids. BTW - black sharpie works on a dark shirt to make the underarm and seam voids less noticeable. Trying to figure what might work on a colorful shirt for the shoulder voids.
Tom Erik Douglas Smith commented on Thursday, July 23, 2015 9:48am
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Dr. Lukas Brezak commented on Friday, July 10, 2015 5:02am
I would say the product has also another very serious problem... I saw a lot of images from buyers and there were a lot of imperfections, unprinted areas when material fold... please S6... change the technology, this not a quality I would expect from this site... make it like the leggings please... leggings are super since they are printed before assembly... but this product should be technologically upgraded :) I would really appreciate that! Thanks!!!

@Dr. Lukas Brezak - Spot on and your feedback is being forwarded to our product team. Please send any pictures you have via - https://society6.com/help/contact. That kind of thing is super helpful for them. Also - regarding cut n' sew like our leggings, we want to make sure there is interest with artists and your customers before diving fully into a cut n' sew version. But you are heard!!!
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@Ben Renschen - I received on of my designs today and am expecting another soon but also have the same issues as @Dr. Lukas Brezak. The imperfections go far beyond the 'possible minor imperfections'.

http://imgur.com/Q3AkUhz

http://imgur.com/xgYdzWU

http://imgur.com/rY4bxbJ

http://imgur.com/HGSsGnj

As well as loads of small bits on other parts of the shirt where there are no natural folds but the shirt was just not flat when printing, eg:

http://imgur.com/hzPp5xH

This can't be the quality that we and out customers are meant to expect...?
Amy Sia commented on Thursday, July 30, 2015 8:01am
Hi @Ben Renschen just re the sublimation printing / printing post garment assembly...I know you have mentioned not wanting to commit to this before you see the customer demand but as an artist I'm not keen to upload files for a product that might not work well. I feel like this isn't a great way to test demand seeing as 1. Artists are unlikely to sign up to something that isn't great quality and 2. Customers are likely to return / not become repeat buyers if the product is not up to scratch thanks for passing our comments on :)
Frank's Mad commented on Monday, August 24, 2015 1:53pm
I have designed a T-shirt where the back is a mirror image of the front with some changes. Looks like you cannot print this at all. I must wait until you can do different images on front and back. What you are really saying, if it's not a pattern then don't upload or upload the front but leave the back blank?
skcolb commented on Sunday, August 30, 2015 4:26am
Question - since it's done by hand, is there be any way to request that just the front be printed only?
Brenda A. Harris commented on Wednesday, September 2, 2015 7:32pm
I will wait patiently. The product must be of top quality. Please don't Beta test on your/our customers. Tnx
KARADIN commented on Wednesday, September 16, 2015 7:31am
I'm gonna take down all my all over tee designs, and wait for when they come back (if they come back) as print then assemble.
Logan_J commented on Saturday, October 3, 2015 9:54am
Am I the only 1 who prefers upload works on other sites(with easy automatic upload software) because here it's so damn bothering...like a torture :D rework the product every time!I'm sorry to say that because I like S6 but I've not all that time to spend :(
Dagui Pierro commented on Thursday, October 8, 2015 2:21am
Yep @Logan_J, I'm starting to be tired of all that extra work for S6. An automatic placing feature (like many other sites do) would be a relief. And that poor quality on the all-over tese is really a bummer, I was really excited about that product, but I can't promote and sell something I wouldn't be proud of.
Margaret27 commented on Friday, October 16, 2015 6:27pm
Just got a shirt with bleed through ink. It also had white areas on top on the shoulder. I can't recommend these all over print shirts. I have asked for a refund. I love the v-neck shirts, though.
ACUN commented on Monday, January 4, 2016 8:44am
I like my leggings as I designed without using correction, I don't want them to look as portraits there.Please never cancel my leggings or all over print shirts.I like them to look unique :)
Whimsical Journey Lin Trosk… commented on Tuesday, March 1, 2016 6:36am
I have downloaded the allovershirt template giving me the right size, Isee its set at 100 dpi, is that the right dpi for the picture submission?

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